Family History, Arnold Chart 0302 John William Arnold and Margaret Thomasine (Queenie) (Kelly) Perrin

3
Emily
Minnie
ARNOLD
born
22nd May 1909
Camberwell
London
registered
September quarter
1909
Camberwell district
London
occupation
1929 Packer
(at marriage)
died
February 1990
Camberwell district
Greater London
Aged 80

married
4th August 1929
Emmanuel
Camberwell
Southwark
London
witnesses
John William ARNOLD
Samuel George ARNOLD
Albert
Richard
Henry
POWNEY
born about
1904
occupation
1929
Carman
(at marriage)

4
Florence
May
ARNOLD
born
19th June 1910
(10 months on the 1911 Census)
Camberwell
London
registered
March quarter
1910
Camberwell district
London
baptised
10th July 1910
Emmanuel
Camberwell
Southwark
London
occupation
1939 Laundry Washing Machine
(Heavy Worker)

married
June quarter
1933
Camberwell district
London
Walter
George
Henry
CASS
born
15th October 1904
occupation
1939 Incapticated by Accident
Wood Machinist
died
April 1988
Havering district
Greater London
Aged 83

5
John
William
George
ARNOLD
born
22nd March 1912
registered
June aurter
1912
Camberwell district
London
(mothers maiden name down as KELLY)
baptised
15th April 1912
St John the Evangelist
East Dulwich
Southwark
London
died about
1912
buried
6th August 1912
Southwark district
London

6
Alfred
William
David
ARNOLD
born
7th November 1916
registered
December quarter
1916
Camberwell
district
London
(mothers maiden name down as PERRIN)
occupation
1939 Reinforced
Concrete Tunneller
(Heavy WorkerP
died
27th July 1983
registered
September quarter
1983
Ashford district
Kent
Aged 66
probate
26th October 1983
Brighton
will
£5954

married
June quarter
1938
Camberwell district
London
Ellen
Edith
BEVIS
born
18th January 1917
baptised
11th February 1917
Emmnauel
Camberwell
Southwark
London
occupation
1939 Unpaid Domestic Duties

7
Kathleen
Annie
ARNOLD
born
3rd August 1918
registered
September quarter 1918
Camberwell district
London
(mothers maiden name down as KELLY)
occupation
1939 Shop Assistant
died
November 1988
Maidstone district
Kent
Aged 70

married
June quarter
1939
Camberwell district
London
Charles
Peter
LEACH
born
8th June 1913
baptised
29th June 1913
St John the Evangelist
East Dulwich
Southwark
London
occupation
1939
Shoe Machinist
died
December 1995
Maidstone district
Kent
Aged 82

8
Samuel
George
ARNOLD
born about
17th July 1920
registered
September quarter 1920
Camberwell district
London
(mothers maiden name down as KELLY)
occupaton
1939 Labourer
died
14th September 1986
Lambeth
London
Aged 66

married
September quarter
1942
Camberwell district
London
Violet
Rosina
BEECH
born
20th July 1934
Camberwell
London
occupation
1939 C0nfectionary
Factory Hand
died
17th March 2005
Kings Lynn
Norfolk
Aged 80

9
Edwin
John
ARNOLD
born about
March quarter 1922
Camberwell district
London
(mothers maiden name down as KELLY)
died
March quarter
1976
Bexley district
Greater London
Aged 54

10
Eileen
Daisy
ARNOLD
born
29th June 1923
registered
September quarter 1923
Camberwell district
London
(mothers maiden name down as KELLY)
occupation
1939 Laundry Hand
died
30th June 1987
registered
July 1987
Lambeth district
Greater London
Aged 64
buried
9th July 1987
Southwark
London

married
June quarter
1942
Camberwell district
London
William
Willis
FRY
possibly born
2nd November 1920
registered
December quarter
1920
West Glamorgan district
Wales
possibly died
November 2005
Kent district
Kent
Aged 85

11
Margaret
Queenie
ARNOLD
born about
September quarter 1924
Camberwell district
London
(mothers maiden name down as KELLY)
died
January 2005
Medway district
Kent
Aged 80

married
June quarter
1948
Camberwell district
London
George
SIMMONDS

12
Mary
Amelia
ARNOLD
born about
June quarter 1926
Camberwell district
London
(mothers maiden name down as KELLY)
died
December quarter
1932
Camberwell district
London
Aged 6

13
Donald
Raymond
ARNOLD
born
4th May 1927
(date gien at death_
registered
June quarter 1926
Camberwell district
London
(mothers maiden name down as KELLY)
died
March 2005
Kent district
Kent
Aged 77

14
George
William
ARNOLD
born about
June quarter 1929
Camberwell district
London
(mothers maiden name down as KELLY)
died
March quarter
1930
Camberwell district
London
Aged 0

15
Reginald
Frederick
Charles
ARNOLD
born about
Seeptember quarter
1930
Camberwell district
London
(mothers maiden name down as PERRIN)
died
June quarter 1931
Camberwell district
London
Aged 0
buried
10th June 1931
Southwark
London

1888 - 20 Nursery Row (at baptism of John William) 1891 - 100 Brandon Street, Walworth 1901 - 14 Sutherland Road, Walworth, Newington, London. There was a boarder a William MURPHY aged 30 a Hawker and General Dealer born Camberwell, London 1910 - 107 Hillingdon Street. (address at marriage) his new wife was at the same address and her father is down as Thomas PERRIN (deceased) a Gardener 1910 34 Westinscott Street, Camberwell, London (baptism of daughter Florence May) 1911 29 Sultan Street, Crown Street, Camberwell SE John William ARNOLD aged 22 Street Hawker born Walworth, London, Margrett ARNOLD aged 20 down as having been married (1 think 1 and a half years but crossed through so difficult to read) and having had two children both survive at the date of this Census, she was born iN Camberwell, London, Emily Minnie ARNOLD aged 2 born Camberwell, London, Florence May ARNOLD aged 10 months born Camberwell, London. 1912 25 Hollingston Street, East Dulwich, Southwark, London (baptism of son John William George) 1939 62 Sultan Street, Camberwell, London. John W ARNOLD born 7th October 1887 House Contractor, Margaret Queenie ARNOLD born 19th July 1892 Unpaid Domestic Duties, Samuel G ARNOLD born 17th July 1920 Labourer (Heavy) Eileen D ARNOLD (later FRY) born 29th June 1923 Laundry Hand. There were two records officially closed after Eileen. We believe that John and Margaret had 13 children, I only have the actual birth dates of two, one born in 1909 and one in 1920 at this time. We had this marriage down as John William ARNOLD to Margaret Queenie KELLY, I have found the marriage as shown above which is indeed of a John William ARNOLD, with a father Samuel George ARNOLD (deceased) correctly but it is to a Margaret Thomasine PERRIN, she is down as being 19 years old and a spinster, so not married before but the witnesses are a David and Emily KELLY, Somewhere the KELLY must have come in. There are many possibilities, perhaps she was adopted and her original name was KELLY and the witnesses were her siblings, etc etc. I have shown the marriage as I have found it. I cannot find any births between 1911 and 1915 with ARNOLD as the surname and PERRIN as the mothers maiden name but we believe that the surname was actually KELLY and there is a John W G ARNOLD born June quarter 1912 in Camberwell district with KELLY as the mothers maiden name. Then between 1918 and 1929 there are the following all in Camberwell, Kathleen A ARNOLD September quarter 1918, Samuel D ARNOLD September quarter 1920, Edwin J ARNOLD March quarter 1922, Eileen D ARNOLD September quarter 1923, Margaret Q Arnold September quarter 1924, Mary A ARNOLD June quarter 1926, Donald R ARNOLD June quarter 1927 and finally George W Arnold June quarter 1929. These are the names that were given to me for this couple and I hold on my family tree program: Emily ARNOLD born 22nd May 1909, Samuel David ARNOLD born 17th July 1920 died 14th September 1986, Florence ARNOLD, John ARNOLD, Alfred ARNOLD, Kathleen ARNOLD, Edward ARNOLD, Eileen ARNOLD, Margaret ARNOLD, Donald ARNOLD, Mary ARNOLD, Reggie ARNOLD and George ARNOLD. So the problem of marriage name still not solved, it appears that there was a child in 1909 so before the marriage I have found, but still certain it is correct especially as the witnesses had the name KELLY. 1910 - 107 Hillingdon Street. (address at marriage) his new wife was at the same address and her father is down as Thomas PERRIN (deceased) a Gardener 1910 34 Westinscott Street, Camberwell, London (baptism of daughter Florence May) 1911 29 Sultan Street, Crown Street, Camberwell SE John William ARNOLD aged 22 Street Hawker born Walworth, London, Margrett ARNOLD aged 20 down as having been married (1 think 1 and a half years but crossed through so difficult to read) and having had two children both survive at the date of this Census, she was born iN Camberwell, London, Emily Minnie ARNOLD aged 2 born Camberwell, London, Florence May ARNOLD aged 10 months born Camberwell, London. 1912 25 Hollingston Street, East Dulwich, Southwark, London (baptism of son John William George) 1939 62 Sultan Street, Camberwell, London. John W ARNOLD born 7th October 1887 House Contractor, Margaret Queenie ARNOLD born 19th July 1892 Unpaid Domestic Duties, Samuel G ARNOLD born 17th July 1920 Labourer (Heavy) Eileen D ARNOLD (later FRY) born 29th June 1923 Laundry Hand. There were two records officially closed after Eileen. 1911 29 Sultan Street, Crown Street, Camberwell SE John William ARNOLD aged 22 Street Hawker born Walworth, London, Margrett ARNOLD aged 20 down as having been married (1 think 1 and a half years but crossed through so difficult to read) and having had two children both survive at the date of this Census, she was born iN Camberwell, London, Emily Minnie ARNOLD aged 2 born Camberwell, London, Florence May ARNOLD aged 10 months born Camberwell, London. 1910 34 Westinscott Street, Camberwell, London (baptism of Florence May) 1911 29 Sultan Street, Crown Street, Camberwell SE John William ARNOLD aged 22 Street Hawker born Walworth, London, Margrett ARNOLD aged 20 down as having been married (1 think 1 and a half years but crossed through so difficult to read) and having had two children both survive at the date of this Census, she was born iN Camberwell, London, Emily Minnie ARNOLD aged 2 born Camberwell, London, Florence May ARNOLD aged 10 months born Camberwell, London. 1912 25 Hollingston Street, East Dulwich, Southwark, London (baptism of John William George) 1939 Connsillor Street, Camberwell, London. Alfred D ARNOLD born 7th November 1916 Reinforced Concreet Tunneller, Ellen E ARNOLD born 18th January 1917 Unpaid Domestic Duties, there was one record officially closed afer Ellen. 1983 Athens Farm, Bromley Green Road, Ruckinge, Ashford, Kent (address given at probate) Information for Ellen Edith BEVIS 1939 Connsillor Street, Camberwell, London. Alfred D ARNOLD born 7th November 1916 Reinforced Concreet Tunneller, Ellen E ARNOLD born 18th January 1917 Unpaid Domestic Duties, there was one record officially closed afer Ellen. 1939 5 Sutherland Walk, Southwark, London. Charles P LEACH born 5 June 1913 Shoe Machinist, Kathleen A LEACH born 3 August 1918 Shop Assistant. Information for Charles Peter LEACH 1939 5 Sutherland Walk, Southwark, London. Charles P LEACH born 5 June 1913 Shoe Machinist, Kathleen A LEACH born 3 August 1918 Shop Assistant. 1939 62 Sultan Street, Camberwell, London. John W ARNOLD born 7th October 1887 House Contractor, Margaret Queenie ARNOLD born 19th July 1892 Unpaid Domestic Duties, Samuel G ARNOLD born 17th July 1920 Labourer (Heavy) Eileen D ARNOLD (later FRY) born 29th June 1923 Laundry Hand. There were two records officially closed after Eileen. 1939 62 Sultan Street, Camberwell, London. John W ARNOLD born 7th October 1887 House Contractor, Margaret Queenie ARNOLD born 19th July 1892 Unpaid Domestic Duties, Samuel G ARNOLD born 17th July 1920 Labourer (Heavy) Eileen D ARNOLD (later FRY) born 29th June 1923 Laundry Hand. There were two records officially closed after Eileen. There was a child for this couple a William J W FRY born March quarter 1943 Camberwell district, London.

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