PAY Chart 0401

This is a Chart for John Henry Pay and Annie Frances (Francea) Fentiman

 

married
June quarter
1885
Wandsworth district
London

 

1
JOHN HENRY PAY

born about
1861
Folkstone, Kent
occupation
1887 Butler (baptism of Ethel and Arthur John)
1888 Butler (baptism of Walter Henry)
1891 Inn Waiter
1891 Butler (baptism of Frank)
1892 Butler (baptism of Edith and Albert)
1896 Butler (baptism of Frederick and Agnes)
1901 Common? Cordite Cartridge Maker
1911 
 Cartridge maker (Cordite)
  Royal Arsenal
died
 
June quarter
1933
 Dartford district
Kent 
Age 72

 

2
ANNIE FRANCES or FRANCEA FENTIMAN
born about
March quarter
1860
St Anne's
London, Middlesex
occupation
1881 Barmaid
died
March quarter
1924
Dartford district
Kent
 Age 63


3
Ethel
PAY
born 
31st July
1885
Pimlico, London
baptised
25th May
1887
St Philip
Battersea
Wandsworth
London
occupation
1901 Servant, Dom
died
 March 
quarter
1976
Lewisham district London

married
December quarter
1910
Greenwich district
London
 
George Harris James 
DRYLAND
born about
 1885
Ashford, Kent
occupation
 1911 Motor Mechanic, Hiring of Automobiles
died 
21st November
1953
St. Alfeges Hospital
London S.E.10
registered
 December quarter
1953
 Greenwich district
London
 Age 69

4
Arthur
John
PAY
born about
March quarter
1887
Battersea, London
baptised
25th May
1887
St Philip
Battersea
Wandsworth
London
occupation
 1901 
only very possibly
Page Boy
died
15th September
1950
registered
 September
quarter
 1950
Dartford district, London 
Age 63

married
9th May
1915
Parish Church
East Wickham
Kent
registered
 June quarter
1915
  Dartford district
London
 Florence 
Ella Urvine KING
born
 
22nd February 1888
registered
June quarter
1888
St Olave
Southwark 
London
baptised
29th May
1888
St Katharine
Rotherhithe
Southwark
London
died
 December 
quarter
1970
Dartford district
 London
5
Walter
Henry
PAY
born about
1888
baptised
20th May
1888
St Philip
Battersea
Wandsworth
London
6
Edith
PAY
born about
December
quarter
1889
Battersea, London
baptised
10th August 1892
St Philip
Battersea
Wandsworth
London
occupation
1911
General
Servant
Domestic
possibly
died
 September
quarter
 1914
 St George Hanover Square district
London
 Age 23
7
Frank
PAY
born about
June quarter
1891
Battersea London
baptised
28th October
1891
St Philip
Battersea
Wandsworth
London
8
Albert
PAY
born about
September quarter
1892
Battersea, London
baptised
10th August 1892
St Philip
Battersea
Wandsworth
London
occupation
1911 Waiter
9
Frederick
William
PAY
born 
20th December
1894
(date given on death)
(19th November
1893
(date given on baptism)
Plumstead
Kent
registered Wandsworth district
Surrey
baptised
15th April
1896
Christ Church
Plumstead
Greenwich
London
occupation
1911 Waiter
died
June quarter
1977
Surrey South Eastern district, Surrey
10
Agnes
PAY
born about
25th March
1895
Plumstead
Kent (1901)
or
Woolwich
Kent (1911)
baptised
15th April
1896
Christ Church
Plumstead
Greenwich
London
died
June 
quarter
1972
Bexley district
 Kent

married
 September
quarter
 1920
Dartford district
 London
 Frederick G A KEMP
born
12th July 1894
died
June quarter
1973
Bexley district
 Kent
11
John Fentiman
PAY
born about
March quarter
1897
Shooters Hill
Kent
occupation
1911 School
WWI
Private
Service number
436
Royal Fusiliers
8th Bn.
died
 
30th November 1917
Age 20
 memorial
Louveral
France
Panel 3 and 4
12
Ernest
Alfred
PAY
born about
June quarter
1898
East Wickham
Kent
occupation
1911
School
  1. 1887 49 Silverthorne Road, Battersea, London (baptism of Ethel and Arthur John)
    1888 54 Heath Road, Clapham, London (baptism of Walter Henry)
    1891 26 Trollope Street, East Battersea, London,  With them is Ann FENTIMAN a Widow aged 51?, Living on own Means born Holcombe, Somerset.
    1891 26 Trollope Street, Battersea, Wandsworth, London (baptism of Frank)
    1892 26 Trollipe Street, Battersea, Wandsworth, London (baptism of Edith and Albert)
    1896 44 Red Lion Lane, Shooters Hill, Plumstead, Greenwich, London
    1901 16 Queens Road, East Wickham, Kent. 
    1911 16 Queens Road, East Wickham, Kent. With them is Ann down as Annie and Mother-in-Law aged 72 a Widow born correctly Coleford, Somerset. 
    1922 6, Queen's Road, Welling, Kent. (Forces War Records for medals of son John Fentiman)
  2. 1861 Not found
    1866 31 Lisle Street, Soho, Westminster, Middlesex  (baptism of Annie Frances and Elizabeth Lavinia)
    1871 14 Sowester? Street, St Annes, Soho, Westminster, Middlesex Indexed as FORKINS!
    1881 Lancaster Savoy House United Arts Club, St Clement Danes, London
    1887 49 Silverthorne Road, Battersea, London (baptism of Ethel and Arthur John)
    1888 54 Heath Road, Clapham, London (baptism of Walter Henry)
    1891 26 Trollope Street, East Battersea, London, 
    Living with the family was Frances's widowed mother Ann FENTIMAN 
    1891 26 Trollope Street, Battersea, Wandsworth, London (baptism of Frank)
    1892 26 Trollipe Street, Battersea, Wandsworth, London (baptism of Edith and Albert)
    1896 44 Red Lion Lane, Shooters Hill, Plumstead, Greenwich, London
    1901 16 Queens Road, East Wickham, Kent. 
    1911 16 Queens Road, East Wickham, Kent.
    Living with them was widowed Mother-in-Law Anne FENTIMAN (72) 
  3. 1887 49 Silverthorne Road, Battersea, London (baptism of Ethel and Arthur John)
    1891 26 Trollope Street, East Battersea, London,  With them is Ann FENTIMAN a Widow aged 51?, Living on own Means born Holcombe, Somerset.
    1901 2 Charlesworth Villas, Bexley, Kent. Servant to Selina WELLS (born Pimlico) and two Boarders
    1911 155 Old Dover Road, Blackheath, Kent
    1919 74 Tenement top floor, Loncroft Road, Camberwell, Southwark, London (London Electoral Register)
    Appear at the same address between 1919 and 1938, I have not looked at the Electoral Register at present between these dates.
    1938 74 Longroft Road, Camberwell, Southwark, London (London Electoral Register) with George and Ethel was a Ethel Louise DRYLAND (Ethel L DRYLAND was born June quarter 1912 Camberwell district London)
    Information for George Harris James DRYLAND
    1953 DRYLAND George Harris James of 101 westcombe-hill Blackheath London died 21 November 1953 at St Alfeges Hospital London S.E.10 Probate London 10 February to Ethel Dryland widow. Effects £4627 4s. 1d. (National Probate Calendar)
  4. 1887 49 Silverthorne Road, Battersea, London (baptism of Ethel and Arthur John)
    1891 26 Trollope Street, East Battersea, London,  With them is Ann FENTIMAN a Widow aged 51?, Living on own Means born Holcombe, Somerset.
    1901 Only a possible address, but only Arthur PAY born 1887 on this census
    Hotel ?????, Aberystwith, Cardiganshire. Servant in a Hotel with manager Fred EVANS but is shown born Folkestone, Kent
    1911 Not found
    Although very uncertain about the 1891 census and not finding him on the 1911 there does appear to be a marriage and a death.
    There was at least one child Arthur Ernest Reginald PAY born 11th November 1917 Camberwell, London died June 1994 Dartford Kent, he married in September quarter 1945 in Dartford district, Kent to a May BERRECLOTH who was born 13th November 1920 in Dartford, Kent and died 25th December 2010 in Dartford, Kent.
    Information for Florence Ela Urvine KING
    1888 11 Warw??on Street, Rotherhithe, Southwark (address at baptism) Father Urvine KING a Joiner, mother Rosanna KING
  5. 1888 54 Heath Road, Clapham, London (baptism of Walter Henry)
  6. 1891 26 Trollope Street, East Battersea, London,  With them is Ann FENTIMAN a Widow aged 51?, Living on own Means born Holcombe, Somerset.
    1892 26 Trollipe Street, Battersea, Wandsworth, London (baptism of Edith and Albert)
    1901 16 Queens Road, East Wickham, Kent. 
    1911 46 Golden Lane E C. Edith was a servant with a William Alfred MARTIN
  7. 1891 26 Trollope Street, Battersea, Wandsworth, London (baptism of Frank)
    1901 16 Queens Road, East Wickham, Kent. 1901 16 Queens Road, East Wickham, Kent. 
    1911 Not found
  8. 1892 26 Trollipe Street, Battersea, Wandsworth, London (baptism of Edith and Albert)
    1901 16 Queens Road, East Wickham, Kent. 
    1911 Army and Navy Club, Pall Mall, London. Together with a considerable number of others including brother Frederick
  9. 1901 16 Queens Road, East Wickham, Kent. 
    1911 Army and Navy Club, Pall Mall, London. Together with a considerable number of others including brother Albert
    Date given on death does not tie up with date given at baptism so possibly the person on death is not the same person
  10. 1896 44 Red Lion Lane, Shooters Hill, Plumstead, Greenwich, London
    1901 16 Queens Road, East Wickham, Kent. 
    1911 16 Queens Road, East Wickham, Kent.. Living with them was widowed Grandmother Ann FENTIMAN (72)
  11. 1896 44 Red Lion Lane, Shooters Hill, Plumstead, Greenwich, London
    1901 16 Queens Road, East Wickham, Kent. 
    1911 16 Queens Road, East Wickham, Kent. With them is Ann down as Annie and Mother-in-Law aged 72 a Widow born correctly Coleford, Somerset. 
    From Commonwealth War Graves Commission web site. Son of John Henry Pay, of 6, Queen's Rd., Welling, Kent.
    Information from Forces War Records sent by John TERRY 7/11/2014
    First Name: John Fentiman 
    Initials: J F 
    Surname: PAY
    DOB: Circa 1897 
    Age: 20 
    Birth Town: Shooters Hill, Kent 
    Resided Town: Wellingborough 
    Nationality: British 
    Date of Death: 30/11/1917 
    Fate: Killed in Action 
    Information: SON OF JOHN HENRY PAY, OF 6, QUEEN'S RD., WELLING, KENT. 
    Rank: Private 
    Service Number: 437 
    Duty Location: France And Flanders 
    Campaign Medals: 
    Victory Medal
    Given the information we have available it is likely that John Fentiman PAY was entitled to the Victory medal, also called the Inter Allied Victory Medal. This medal was awarded to all who received the 1914 Star or 1914-15 Star and, with certain exceptions, to those who received the British War Medal. It was never awarded alone. These three medals were sometimes irreverently referred to as Pip, Squeak and Wilfred.
    Eligibility for this award consisted of having been mobilised, fighting, having served in any of the theatres of operations, or at sea, between midnight 4th/5th August, 1914, and midnight, 11th/12th November, 1918. Women who served in any of the various military organisations in a theatre of operations were also eligible. 
    British War Medal
    From the information available to us, it is very possible that John Fentiman PAY was entitled to the British War Medal for service in World War One. This British Empire campaign medal was issued for services between 5th August 1914 and 11th November 1918.
    The medal was automatically awarded in the event of death on active service before the completion of this period. 
    Service: British Army 
    Regiment: Royal Fusiliers (London Regiment) 
    Royal Fusiliers (London Regiment) during World War 1
    Since 1815 the balance of power in Europe had been maintained by a series of treaties. In 1888 Wilhelm II was crowned ‘German Emperor and King of Prussia’ and moved from a policy of maintaining the status quo to a more aggressive position. He did not renew a treaty with Russia, aligned Germany with the declining Austro-Hungarian Empire and started to build a Navy rivalling that of Britain. These actions greatly concerned Germany’s neighbours, who quickly forged new treaties and alliances in the event of war. On 28th June 1914 Franz Ferdinand the heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne was assassinated by the Bosnian-Serb nationalist group Young Bosnia who wanted pan-Serbian independence. Franz Joseph's the Austro-Hungarian Emperor (with the backing of Germany) responded aggressively, presenting Serbia with an intentionally unacceptable ultimatum, to provoke Serbia into war. Serbia agreed to 8 of the 10 terms and on the 28th July 1914 the Austro-Hungarian Empire declared war on Serbia, producing a cascade effect across Europe. Russia bound by treaty to Serbia declared war with Austro-Hungary, Germany declared war with Russia and France declared war with Germany. Germany’s army crossed into neutral Belgium in order to reach Paris, forcing Britain to declare war with Germany (due to the Treaty of London (1839) whereby Britain agreed to defend Belgium in the event of invasion). By the 4th August 1914 Britain and much of Europe were pulled into a war which would last 1,566 days, cost 8,528,831 lives and 28,938,073 casualties or missing on both sides.
    The Royal Fusiliers raised an additional 76 battalions and were awarded 80 Battle Honours and 12 Victoria Crosses (two of which were the first awarded in the war for the Battle of Mons and the last two of the war in North Russia) losing 15,600 men during the course of the war. In 1914 1,600 members of the Stock exchange joined the Regiment to form the Stock Exchange Battalion, 400 of which were killed during the war. Five Battalions of the Regiment (the 38th to the 42nd) served as the Jewish Legion in Palestine and many contributed to the founding of the State of Israel in 1948.
    8th (Service) Battalion
    21.08.1914 Formed at Hounslow as part of the First New Army (K1), moving to Colchester and joining the 26th Brigade of the 12th Division.
    Nov 1914 Moved to Hythe and then Aldershot.
    May 1915 Mobilized for war and landed at France and the Division was engaged in various actions on the Western front including;
    The Battle of Loos.
    During 1916
    The Battle of Albert, The Battle of Pozieres, The Battle of Le Transloy.
    During 1917 
    The First Battle of the Scarpe, The Battle of Arleux, The Battle of Arleux, The Third Battle of the Scarpe, The Cambrai operations, 
    06.02.1918 Disbanded in France.
    Information about other Battalions can be found on the Forces War Records web site
    Battalion: 8th Battalion 
    Commemorated: France 
    Collections: Soldiers Died in the Great War 1914-1919 
    The IWGC/CWGC Registers Collection
  12. 1901 16 Queens Road, East Wickham, Kent. 
    1911 16 Queens Road, East Wickham, Kent. With them is Ann down as Annie and Mother-in-Law aged 72 a Widow born correctly Coleford, Somerset. 
    Possible death
    Name: PAY, Ernest A
    Registration district: [?] Henley 
    County: Oxfordshire
    Year of registration: 1962
    Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun 
    Age at death:64 
    Volume no: 6B 
    Page no: 896

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