COBB/GARNER Chart 0401

This is a Chart for Amos Samuel Cobb, Elizabeth Caroline, Harttree and George Garner

 

married(1)
3rd March 1877
Holy Trinity
Paddington
Middlesex
witnesses
??? (cannot read)
Mary GILLARD
registered
March quarter
1877
 Kensington district Middlesex

  (2)married
 

3
GEORGE GARNER
born about
 
1852
Paddington, Middlesex
occupation
1881 Plasterer
emigrated
 
1882
to
 Halifax, Canada on "Polynesian" 
with wife
 Elizabeth
died before
 
1887

 

2
ELIZABETH CAROLINE HARTTREE

born  
15th November 1852
Marylebone, Middlesex
baptised
19th December 1852
St Mary
Bryanston Square
Westminster
Middlesex
occupation
 1861 Scholar
emigrated
1882
to
 
Halifax, Canada on "Polynesian" 
with husband 
George GARNER
took
 
Canadian Nationality
died
 8th January 1939 
1322 Walnut Street
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Age 86 years 1 month 24 days
of
 1) Muocardial degeneration 2) Coronary sclerosis 
3) General arteril sclerosis 4) diverticulitis
informant of death
A S COBB husband
buried
 
12th January 1939
Ross Bay Cemetery, Victoria
British Columbia, Canada

1
AMOS SAMUEL COBB
born  
26/27th November 1853 
Highwood, East Stoke, Dorset
baptised  
8th January 1854 
St Mary the Virgin, East Stoke, Dorset
emigrated
1882
to 
Halifax, Canada on "Polynesian" 
Age 28 
 occupations
1861 Scholar, Bailiff/Signalman 
emigrated to Canada 1882 to work on Canadian Pacific Railway
 1887 Labourer
 1901 Foreman Government Road, Banff, Alberta, Canada
 1902 Foreman in Hot Springs, Banff, Alberta, Canada
1911 General Foreman in Banff National Park, Banff, Alberta, Canada
 Roadmaster
1916 Labourer (Odd Jobs)
took  
Canadian Nationality
died  
7th March 1947
62 Gorge Road
 Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Age 93 years 3 months 8 days
of 
Coronary cedema - 1 day and General artiosclerosis - 1 year
informant of death
 Fred COBB son
buried 
11th March 1947
Ross Bay Cemetery
 Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

4
Fred Samuel COBB

born  
6th October 1887 
Banff, Alberta, Canada
took
 Canadian Nationality
 occupation
1915 Labourer; WWI Enlisted at age 28 years in Canadian Army on 13th October
 1915 at Banff, A Regimental Number 160881 Gave mother as next-of-kin. Oath taken on the 26th O in Calgary, Alberta, Canada 
when declared fit for the Canadian Over- Seas Expedition
1916 Labourer (Odd Jobs)
died
 27th May 1969
 Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
 Age 81 years

  1. 1861 Coombe Keynes, Dorset
    1871 East Burton, Winfrith Newburgh, Dorset. A Samuel COBB (17) (born 1854) from East Stoke, Dorset was working as a Farm Servant for Richard (31) and John (35) BARCOMBE, Builders and Farmers of 30 acres employing 3 boys. Both were born Winfrith, Dorset.  There is no Samuel baptised in East Stoke church in 1854. Winifred WILTON née COBB often spoke of a Samuel. Was the name interchangeable? Later research would seem to suggest that this was the case. See note below
    1881 62 Millbrook Road, Lambeth, Surrey. Boarding with William H MILLS (31) Letter Carrier born Lambeth, Surrey. Also the wife, daughter and two brothers of William MILLS
    1901 Banff, Alberta, Canada
    1902 Hot Springs, Banff, Alberta, Canada 
    1906 Banff, Albert, Canada. Living with him was Lizzie HARTREE and Frederick Ty COBB, and his nephew, Ernest Isaac  BENNETT (24) born England
    1910 (1) Samuel COBB Householder at 404 8th Avenue East, Calgary, Alberta, occupation Hardware 
    (2) Samuel COBB 404 8th Avenue East, Calgary, Alberta, Canada occupation Grocer
    1911 Banff, Alberta, Canada
    1914 (3) Samuel COBB 404 8th Avenue East, Calgary, Alberta, Canada occupation Hardware Store
    Given that Amos Samuel COBB used the name Amos from his arrival in Canada in 1882 until at least the 1901 Census it would seem probable that these references to a Samuel COBB refer to another person. However, as it would seem the name could be interchangeable this information has been included until shown not to apply.
    1916 4A, Calgary West, Alberta, Canada
    1933 25th July 1933 and 27th August 1933 - 1322 Walnut Street, Victoria, British Columbia 
    Amos worked hard in the garden growing vegetables, apples, blackberries and cherries amongst other things
    1925/46 1322 Walnut Street, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada. Elizabeth C COBB shown at this address in 1936 and 1938
    1941
    1947 1322 Walnut Street, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
    Repeated efforts have been made to obtain information from the Canadian Pacific Railway but they do not provide details for Family Historians, nor do they allow Family Historians to search their records. However, after making contact with Ed WITHERDEN in British Columbia, Canada in connection with the TERRY branch of our family, he kindly carried out some research for us. The results are included here. Other information was obtained from the Whyte Museum on Banff, Alberta, Canada and from Michael BENNETT.
    From "They Came West" by F O "Pat" BREWSTER: "The first General Foreman of Canada’s first National Park was an Englishman by the name of Sam COBB. He had one son named Frederick... He was very active in all the local doings. The COBBs built a home of upright log construction on Bear Street. Later this building served as the first Pearl Laundry when it started years ago."
    Additional information from death certificate sent by Michael BENNETT 27/4/2002
    Year in Municipalty: 30
    Years in Province: 30
    Years in Canada: 60
    Citizenship: Canadian
    Origin: English
    Father's name: Samuel COBB (This should be David, Samuel was his mother's father's name)
    Mother's name: Unknown
    Undertaker: Sands Mortuary Ltd., 1803 Quadra Street
    Obituary of AMOS SAMUEL COBB from the Victoria Daily Colonist of 11th March 1947. COBB - Friday, March 7, in Victoria, Amos Samuel Cobb, aged 93 years, born in England and resident of this city 30 years, residing at 1322 Walnut Street. He is survived by one son, Fred Cobb and a niece, Mrs. E. I. Bennett, in Vancouver, and a nephew, Mr. A. J. Bennett of Duncan B.C. The funeral will take place Tuesday March 11, at 3 pm. in the Chapel of the Dands Mortuary Lts. Rev. F. Comley will officiate and interment will be made in the family plot, Ross Bay Cemetery.

  2. 1861 2 Orchard Street, St Mary, Paddington, Middlesex. Living with father George HARTTREE (48) Returning Officer, Paddington born Barnstaple, Devon, mother Caroline (37) born Marylebone, Middlesex and siblings George F (15) Plumber's Apprentice born Marylebone, Middlesex, Kate Eliza (10) Scholar born Marylebone, Middlesex, Fanny P (5) Scholar born Paddington, Middlesex and Julia (3) born Paddington,
    Middlesex
    1871 Not found
    1881 Hyde Park Hall, Marylebone St Mary, Middlesex. Living with them was George CRAGGS (2) Nurse Child born Paddington, Middlesex
    In 1881 George HARTTREE had died (September quarter 1879 Kensington District, Middlesex age 67), Caroline (59) "Living with Daughter" born Marylebone, Middlesex was living at 29 Solbury?  Road, St Mary, Paddington, Middlesex with Fanny P (25) Nurse out of employ and Julia (23)  Dressmaker both born Paddington, Middlesex
    1901 Banff, Alberta, Canada
    1906 Banff, Albert, Canada. Living with her was Amos Samuel and Frederick Ty COBB, and her nephew, Ernest Isaac  BENNETT (24) born England
    1911 Banff, Alberta, Canada
    1915 Banff, Alberta, Canada (son's Attestation paper)
    1916 4A, Calgary West, Alberta, Canada
    1924/46 1322 Walnut Street, Victoria, Brirish Columbia
    1939 1322 Walnut Street, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
    From "They Came West" by F O "Pat" BREWSTER: "The first General Foreman of Canada’s first National Park was an Englishman by the name of Sam COBB. He had one son named Frederick... He was very active in all the local doings. The COBBs built a home of upright log construction on Bear Street. Later this building served as the first Pearl Laundry when it started years ago."
    Information from Death Certificate sent by Michael BENNETT 27/4/2002
    Years in municipality: 20
    Years in province: 20
    Years in Canada: 57
    Citizenship: Canadian
    Origin: England
    In 1933 both Amos and Elizabeth were concerned about her health. She had a Miss E GARRETT to help her. Amos said it was her "ruhmaticks" which were bothering her. She sat out on the porch most days as the wind was too much for her to be in the garden. However, she showed great concern about the condition of the poor in Victoria where "the churches are pleading for clothes for destitute families"
    In 1933 and 1936 Eliz. L GARRETT, School Teacher lived at 1737, Hampshire, British Columbia, Canada probably with her parents. 
    Obituary of ELIZABETH CAROLINE COBB from the Victoria Daily Colonist of 10th January 1939. On Sunday at the family residence 1322 Walnut Street, Mrs Elizabeth Caroline Cobb, wife of A. S. Cobb, died aged eighty-six years. Born in London, England, Mrs Cobb has been a resident of Victoria for twenty years. She is survived by her husband, one son, Fred Samuel Cobb, Otter Point B.C., and other relatives in London, Eng. Rev. F. Compley will conduct the services at Sands Mortuary at 2 o'clock Thursday. Interment in the family plot, Ross Bay Cemetery.
    According to the Registration of death her fathers name was George Hartree, her mothers name was put down as unknown.
    In 1877 there is an Elizabeth HARTTREE marriage to a George GARNER and in 1881 they are living at Hyde Park Hall, Marylebone St Mary, Middlesex
    There is no trace of them in English records after this date.
    However, a George and Elizabeth GARNER travel to Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada on the “Polynesian” arriving in 1882. On the same ship was Amos COBB.
    We were given the name of the wife of Amos as Elizabeth HARTTREE but a marriage has not been found.
    Given the information above we think that George GARNER must have died, and sometime before 1887 she married Amos COBB.

  3. 1881 Hyde Park Hall, Marylebone St Mary, Middlesex. Living with them was George CRAGGS (2) Nurse Child born Paddington, Middlesex
    Elizabeth Caroline HARTTREE was born in 1852
    In 1877 there is an Elizabeth HARTTREE marriage to a George GARNER and in 1881 they are living at Hyde Park Hall, Marylebone St Mary, Middlesex
    There is no trace of them in English records after this date.
    However, a George and Elizabeth GARNER travel to Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada on the “Polynesian” arriving in 1882. On the same ship was Amos COBB.
    We were given the name of the wife of Amos as Elizabeth HARTTREE but a marriage has not been found.
    Given the information above we think that George GARNER must have died, and sometime before 1887 she married Amos COBB.

  4. 1901 Banff, Alberta, Canada
    1906 Banff, Albert, Canada. Living with Amos Samuel COBB and Lizzie HARTREE, and cousin Ernest Isaac BENNETT (24) born England
    1916 4A, Calgary West, Alberta, Canada
    1939 Otter Point, British Columbia, Canada (Mother's obituary). Probable addresses all in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada: 
    1941 103 Columbia, 
    1948 252 Powell (Orange Rooms)
    1949 403 Powell (Marr Hotel)
    1951/54 252 Powell (Orange Rooms)
    Today (1999) the addresses listed are not in a very reputable area
    1944 There is an entry showing that a Fred (active service) and Beatrice COBB lived at 3172 Davie, Victoria, British Columbia. It is probable that this is not our Fred as no marriage has been traced.
    1947 Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada (Father's death certificate)
    Birth registered on the 7th January 1896. This was the first birth amongst the white settlers in Banff, Alberta, Canada
    INFORMATION ABOUT FRED COBB also known as Ty
    Fred COBB was nicknamed “Ty” after a famous baseball player; or it could have been in connection with his interest in traveling; there are different stories. He had not married by 1927, and it is probable that he did not marry at all. He was seen as always being happy, perhaps because he thought all men should have a sense of humour. He was also considered to be a “free spirit”.
    The family used to receive parcels from England and one Christmas they contained luxurious and attractive caps. Fred and his friends went along the course of Echo Creek and crossed the railway trestle to the other side where Fred climbed a tree to an eagle’s nest. The birds attacked him when he was ten feet from the nest, taking off his cap and flying round with it before dropping it in the raging river.
    Fred appeared to be much travelled as it was said that there was “no place in Canada that Fred has not been where railways run”. He was in the Canadian Army during the First World War and was stationed in England before going to France. In 1927 he was in Calgary to attend a meeting of the Old Timers, visiting the Banff newspaper, the Crag and Canyon during his time in the town.
    He does not appear to have had close contact with his parents, as his father asks friends to pass on Fred’s birth Certificate to him. His father and mother were living in British Columbia in 1933 when Fred’s plans did not turn out as he expected. However, his mother hoped he would make the best of it for “your Dear Mother’s sake”.
    In the 1930s he worked with a crew on a road up to the Mt Norquay ski area, a scheme set up by the Government to help the unemployed. Apparently his favourite expression was “Could you let me have the price of a coffee and - ?” The “and” was a sandwich, or a piece of pie.
    In 1946 he was in Vancouver, working on the boats and docks whenever it was necessary. There he met an old friend with whom he spent time taking about the old days in Banff.
    According to the Registration of death his fathers name was Samuel Cobb, but this is incorrect and should have been put down as David, the previous entry on this form shows the maiden name of his wife as Elizabeth Caroline Cobb, again incorrect as it should be Hartree.
    Attestation Papers No. 140871 (?)
    Gave next of kin as his mother
    Signed 26 October 1915 in Calgary, Alberta, Canada
    Age: 28 years
    Height: 5 foot 10 inches
    Chest: 38½ inches
    Range of Expansion: 4½ inches
    Complexion: Fair
    Eyes: Blue
    Hair: Brown
    Religion: Church of England
    Other information from the form included elsewhere in this record

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