Family History, Lupton Chart 0800 John Lupton, Joanna Doidge and William Chaff

I am told that the father of George LUPTON was a John LUPTON. He married Joanna DOIDGE in Tavistock, England, in 1798, profession of shipwright. Again I am told he might have died in battle in 1808. These details have now been added to make this chart.

1851 UK Census - 32 George Street, Somers Town, St Pancras, Middlesex.

1841 Census - Drummond Street, Somers Town, St Pancras, Middlesex. With the names from the 1851 Census it enabled me to find the family on the Census. They are down as LAPTON. Thomas is with the family on this Census.

1861 Census - 5a Lupton Cottages, Grosvenor Street, Walworth, London. There was a visitor, a Bertha H LUPTON, aged 1 born St Pancras, Middlesex and a Lodger a James ROWE aged 45 a Varnish Manufacturer born Cornwall.

1871 Census - 32 George Street, Somers Town, St Pancras, Middlesex. George was head of household with his wife Mary but his son George and family were with him. There was a visitor, a Caroline? LUPTON aged 30 a widow born St Pancras, London.

IGI Baptism, Birth and Parent information which ties up with Note 1

IGI Information for marriage date, rest of information shown in Note 1

In an email from Bonnie MANN on 3rd September 2007 she writes: "In some of Aunt Tercies papers she says that Joanna Do(i)dge (Lupton Chart 0800) is a descendant of Thomas Moon who sailed with Sir Francis Drake who “sped away to singe the Spaniard’s beard” when Elizabeth was the English Queen. Her mother was a Trelavon. Tercie lists her husband as George Lupton and they had one son, George. After his death in 1808 Joanna married William Bate who was a sailor in the British fleet. He was wounded in the fight off the island of Urshant in Brest Harbor. She had one daughter with Wm Bate named Grace who married George Angier. Wm Bate would take my Greatgrandfather Thomas on his shoulders and swim a mile in Plymouth harbor" - I have therefore added another marriage for Joanna and a daughter Grace for her.

On 1st December 2007 a Charles RIGNALL sent me some feedback as follows: I am a descendant of George Lupton, born in Tavistock in 1801. His father, referred to by Aunt Tercie as George, appears in the records at Stoke Damerel to be John Lupton. It is fascinating that Joanna Doidge's mother was a Trelavon - George of Tavistock went on to marry MaryAnn Pound, as you have recorded, who was a descendant of the Treleaven family of Lanlivery, Cornwall.
I am extremely interested in all references to George/John Lupton who married Joanna Doidge. Extremely.
I do have other information which you could add to your charts, specifically about the family of Elizabeth Emily Grearson, and William Henry Lupton's subsequent removal to New York. Bertha Lupton, who was visiting Lupton Cottages in 1861, for instance, appears to be a child of William Henry Lupton who for some reason was not living with him and Elizabeth Emily. When William left for New York, Bertha stayed with Elizabeth; they lived in Clarence Gardens.

On 4th December Charles RIGNALL replied to me with the following regarding this Chart. This leaves some sorting out to do in the future and is put in, in case anyone looks at this chart and can answer the problems we have:
It is now generally agreed that the Trelavon connection is MaryAnn, not Joanna Doidge. Further, I have been in contact with Bonnie Mann. She brought up the point that her grandfather's middle name was Angier. A researcher in Devon has found an Angier family in the 1851 census of Plymouth which has listed as head
John Angier, wife Elizabeth Angier, and mother in law Joanna Chafe, age 85, born in Tavistock. There is a child named George Lupton Angier.
Bonnie wrote that Joanna Lupton married William Bate, who used to take her great grandfather swimming in Plymouth Harbor. She added that William and Joanna had a daughter named Grace, who married an Angier. Could Chafe have been misread as Bate at some point?
Also, the Elizabeth Angier listed in the census is shown as being 45 years old. That would put her birth date around 1806, before the supposed death of John Lupton in 1808. We are therefore left with the possibility that Elizabeth was George Lupton's sister. Grace is completely unaccounted for at this point.
I have looked at the a bit more and I feel that the information we have above is incorrect. On the GEDCOM that Charles RIGNALL sent me he shows a death of an Elizabeth ANGIER, buried 1888 aged 83 years this would ties up with the Grace above if her names was Elizabeth. As Charles says above that this would make Grace/Elizabeth born before the death we have for John, but this is a "might have died in battle in 1808 so it could have been earlier. I also have found Elizabeth ANGIER on the 1841 and 1871 census and no doubt will find her on others in due course. The 1841 (as the 1851) shows her husband as John not George so I think this is incorrect as well, and Joanna CHAFE is the mother so I feel that Joanna's second marriage was to a CHAFE not a BATE and this has been misread somewhere. The 1851 Census shows John ANGIER with his wife Elizabeth and with mother Joanna CHAFE, but not only he child George Lupton ANGIER as mentioned above but an Elizabeth Chafe ANGIER, so using both using parents names and a son William Angier, using his fathers name.
I am therefore amending the above chart to show how I think the situation should be, but by doing this it will lose the situation before change, so just for the record, we had for the second marriage of Joanna DOIDGE to a William BATE (think should be CHAFE) and they had a child Grace (think it should be Elizabeth and of course her surname would have been CHAFF not BATE) and she married a George ANGIER (think it should be John).

1841 Census - Charles the Martyr, Plymouth, Devon. Joanna CHAFF, mother in law was with Elizabeth and John on this Census, she is down as being 70

There is a marriage of an Elizabeth CHAFF in Stoke Damerel district as shown above, but the John is shown as Meager, but I think this should be Angier and I think it is the correct marriage.

1851 Census - 22 Green Street, Charles the Martyr, Plymouth, Devon. There were three children, Elizabeth Chaff ANGIER aged 8 a Scholar, born Plymouth, Devon and George Lupton ANGIER, aged 4 Scholar, born Plymouth, Devon and Wallace ANGIER aged 2 weeks born Plymouth, Devon. Also there was Joanna CHAFF, mother-in-law, a widow, aged 85 born Tavistock, Devon and a Lodger a William ASH aged 18 a Painter and Glazier born Kingsbridge, Devon.

1861 Census - Basket Street, St Andrew, Plymouth, Devon. Children with Elizabeth, George L ANGIER, aged 14 an Apprentice, born Plymouth, Devon and Wallace ANGIER aged 10, Errand Boy, born Plymouth, Devon (there is a possible death for John as shown, it gives a second name of Adolphus)

1871 Census - 3 Owens Cottages, St Andrew, Plymouth, Devon. Son Wallace was with her aged 20, Saddler (Apprentice) born Plymouth, Devon.

1881 Census - 25 Cumberland Street, St Pancras, London, With son Wallace 30 unmarried a Harness Maker unemployed, both down as being born in Devon. The fact they are in St Pancras and that was have an Elizabeth ANGIER buried in Highgate Cemetery in 1888 ties up with what we have been trying to prove that this is in fact the person we had down as Grace. She was a half sister to George who was also buried in the same grave as her at Highgate Cemetery. The fact that one of the children had LUPTON as his second name I think makes it all but 100 per cent certain that the information above is now correct. I have not been able to find Elizabeth Chaff ANGIER after the 1851 Census, but George Lupton ANGIER married in the March quarter of 1879 in St Pancras district, London, which only adds weight to what was have found. He married either Elizabeth FERN. On the 1881 Census George and Elizabeth are living at 42 ???, Regents Park, St Pancras, London, he was a Saddler, his wife Elizabeth was 35 (one year older than him) and was born in St Pancras, Middlesex, they had a daughter a Alice Fern AINGER aged 1 born St Pancras, London. I will continue with this family when I have put the relevant charts on the Web.

	(1)married(1) 10th September 1798 Stoke Damerel Devon by banns witness William ROBERTS		(2)married(1)
			(2)married(1)
1,7,9 JOHN LUPTON born 17?? Stoke Damerel occupation Shipwright might have died in battle 1808 or slightly earlier		1,7,8,10,11,13 JOANNA DOIDGE born about 1766 occupation 1851 Firm of Silk Weavers		8,10 WILLIAM CHAFF born 17?? occupation Sailor - British Fleet

This is Chart for John Lupton, Joanna Doidge and William Chaff